We’ve spent a lot of time over the past few years talking about skills, skilled trades, skilled personnel, BAs vs. welders, jobs without people/people without jobs, and all kinds of other nonsense about education, training, and the labour market. And to a large extent, when we argue about this stuff (and I’m including myself here), we’re arguing based on national-level data.
But the labor market isn’t national.
A recent paper by Kelly Foley and David Green made this point quite strongly. This paper – delivered at an IRPP conference a few weeks ago – makes a number of important observations about education and the labour market, which I’ll have to save for another day. But one of the most important points it makes is about returns to education in different parts of Canada.
The full paper isn’t available online, but I’d direct everyone’s attention the powerpoint, which is available here. Slide 4 reminds us of the following:
1) Among 25-34 year olds, return-on-investment for graduate degrees is much lower for men than for women.
2) Among men, but not women in the same age group, the gap between the rate of return on bachelor’s degrees and college diplomas has narrowed sharply over the past decade or so.
3) In fact, rates of return on all types of education are just a heck of a lot better for young women than men. Startlingly so.
What’s all this gender stuff that got to do with regionalism in the labour market? Well, take a look at slide 5, which breaks down male earnings by region. In Ontario and Quebec, returns to education are what you’d expect: higher for graduate degrees than for Bachelors, which in turn are higher than for college diplomas. But it turns out that both in the Atlantic and in the West, the returns to college education are actually higher than the returns to university. Indeed, in western Canada they are even higher than they are for graduate studies.
I think it’s safe to assume this isn’t because universities outside Quebec and Ontario are uniquely bad or their colleges uniquely good. Rather, it’s because labour markets in these regions are looking for fundamentally different sets of skills. And as far as entry level workers are concerned, it’s pretty clear that they’re asking for more of the type produced by colleges, and less from universities.
And this brings us back to the national debate. A lot of the rhetoric around skilled trades and the uselessness of Bachelor’s degrees (e.g. Ken Coates, much of the Conservative party) is coming from western Canada, where this actually fits the available data. Equally, the firing back on the same issues (e.g. me, among others) is coming from central Canada, where this also fits the available data. To a large extent we’re just talking past each other; both correct locally, but less so nationally (I’ll try to be more careful about this in the future).
But here’s the takeaway point: the fact that the labour market rewards different types of education differently in different parts of the country is exactly the reason the Feds’ involvement in education and training should be as minimal as possible. We are simply too diverse a country for one-size fits-all policy tools. Kudos to Foley and Green for reminding us of that.
The fact that the wage-returns to university degrees are low for young men in Western provinces is not necessarily evidence that Bachelor’s degrees are useless.
Wages might be particularly high in some industries because workers have to be compensated for dangerous or unpleasant aspects of their job. From this point of view, for young men living in Western provinces, university degrees might offer the option of lower wages but better working conditions.
Dear Mr. Usher,
in Germany this discussion ist going too start, too.
While more and more young people are deciding to study, employers are anxoius to fill their apprenticeship places. In fact, may students do not know that their livetime income will be much higher with a degree. The demographic shift increases the problem: struggle for qualified employees.
A conference on this issue will take place in December in Berlin.
Professor Frank Ziegele would be pleased if you could contact him on this behalf.
Best regards,
Dr. Jutta Fedrowitz